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Karl F. Westermann
Joined: 17 Feb 2011 Posts: 5 Location: Germany
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 4:04 pm Post subject: MIDI Piano Accompaniment for Classical Songs |
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(German text below the English)
Hello Vocalists,
I address people, who are interested in classical songs (Aria, Lied, Ballad) and need piano accompaniment for their singing.
(Solo instrumentalists, who need piano accompaniment in e.g. a violin sonata or a piece for flute and piano may also be interested.)
I myself am a bass singer (hobbyist, not on high artistic level) and I like classic or romantic Lied and Ballad compositions. With respect to classical songs, I could not detect much published music (preferably on CD) which might be used as a background for my singing. On the other hand, I discovered that useful piano accompaniment can be produced on a standard personal computer by means of MIDI technique. This is not difficult at all, but laborious, depending on the quality which is required.
Searching the Internet by key terms like ‘Karaoke, classical, piano, midi file’ I hit on several collections of midi files for classical song compositions - often available for free download. These MIDIs usually are raw MIDIs, which do not represent much more than the pure scores and still are lacking musical elaboration. Nevertheless such raw MIDIs are very welcome as a basis for further refinement.
Recently I prepared several MIDIs of my favorite songs and published the diligently elaborated products in the Classical Midi Connection (CMC). Please see:
http://www.classicalmidiconnection.com/kfw.html
When proudly presenting my „pieces of art“, I had two goals:
1. Vocalists who like these songs as my interpretation may derive their own piano accompaniment from these MIDI files with little effort.
2. Vocalists should be stimulated and inspired to create such MIDIs too and to publish their elaborated results. This Midi Forum topic shall ascertain how far my intentions get approval by other vocalists. Therefore communicate, please!
Note:
The published midi and mp3 files contain wind instrument tracks for the vocal parts in order to give CMC visitors an impression of the songs. It is easy to extract the pure piano accompaniment from the midi files by means of a MIDI sequencer; nevertheless this might be an obstacle for interested vocalists. If this is the case, please post your requests in separate forum entries. You probably will find assistance by MIDI experts.
German text
Hallo Sängerinnen und Sänger,
Ich wende mich an Interessenten am klassischen Kunstlied (Lied, Ballade, Arie), die für ihren Gesang eine Klavierbegleitung brauchen.
(Ähnliches gilt vielleicht auch für Solo-Instrumentalisten, die z.B. eine Klavierbegleitung zu einer Violinsonate oder zu einem Stück für Flöte und Klavier benötigen.)
Ich selbst bin Hobby-Bassist (ohne künstlerischen Anspruch) und singe gerne romantische Lieder und Balladen. Für das klassische oder romantische Liedgut fand ich leider kaum etwas publiziert (vorzugsweise auf CD), was für mich als Begleitmusik nutzbar gewesen wäre. Ich entdeckte jedoch, dass man mit Hilfe der MIDI-Technik auf einem gewöhnlichen PC brauchbare Klavierbegleitungen selbst erstellen kann. Das ist zwar nicht schwierig, aber mühsam, sofern gute Qualität gefordert ist.
Im Internet fand ich mit Stichworten wie „Karaoke, Piano, midi file, free download“ einige Sammlungen von MIDI-Dateien zu Liedgut der Klassik. Bei diesen oft zum kostenlosen Herunterladen angebotenen Dateien handelt es sich jedoch meist um Roh-MIDIs, die lediglich das Notenbild darstellen und erst noch musikalisch gestaltete werden müssen. Solche Roh-MIDIs sind selbstverständlich sehr willkommen, weil sie als Grundlage zur Verfeinerung dienen und so erhebliche Arbeit ersparen können.
Einige Lieblingslieder habe ich nun mit viel Fleiß musikalisch gestaltet und die ausgereiften MIDIs in der Classical Midi Connection (CMC) veröffentlicht.
Siehe: http://www.classicalmidiconnection.com/kfw.html
Voraussichtlich kommen demnächst hinzu:
Robert Schumann: Mondnacht
Carl Loewe: Archibald Douglas
Franz Schubert: ?
Von einer stolzen Präsentation meiner „Kunstwerke“ abgesehen hatte ich dabei zwei weitere Ziele.
1. Sänger, denen diese Lieder in meiner Interpretation gefallen, sollen aus den MIDIs mit geringem Aufwand eigene Klavierbegleitungen ableiten können.
2. Sänger sollen angeregt werden, ebenfalls derartige MIDIs zu gestalten und ihre Arbeitsergebnisse zu publizieren. Mit diesem Eintrag im MIDI Forum möchte ich herausfinden, inwieweit meine beiden Absichten bei Sängern Anklang finden. Bitte meldet euch!
Anmerkung:
In den publizierten midi- und mp3-Dateien sind die Gesangspartien als Blasinstrumente enthalten, damit CMC-Besucher einen Eindruck von den betreffenden Liedern gewinnen. Obwohl beim aktuellen Stand der Technik mit Hilfe eines so genannten Sequenzers recht leicht reine Klavierbegleitungen aus diesen MIDIs abzuleiten sind, ist das für interessierte Sänger vielleicht doch eine zu hohe Hürde. Bitte meldet euch in diesem Fall mit gesonderten Anfragen in diesem Forum. Sicherlich findet Ihr Hilfe durch MIDI-Experten.
Last edited by Karl F. Westermann on Fri Apr 20, 2012 11:12 am; edited 2 times in total |
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SysExJohn Site Admin

Joined: 03 Nov 2007 Posts: 150 Location: Betelgeuse
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 2:30 am Post subject: |
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Hi Karl,
For several years now I have been producing rehearsal / backing tracks for my wife, an operatic mezzo soprano. They have gradually progressed from being simple piano pieces through small chamber orchestra efforts, to full scale orchestral backings using virtual instruments.
My latest project, for a local choir using professional singers, is to produce four movements from Haydn's Nelson Mass. They are the four movements with considerable soloist participation. Quite a challenging project.
I have examined one or two of your contributions to Classical MIDI Connection with interest. If these started life as standard MIDI files then a very great deal of work has been put into them to get them as they are. They sound more like they've been played in.
As my sequences are specifically authored to use the Garritan Personal Orchestra (GPO), I have found that they don't work properly with standard MIDI file players. GPO uses note on velocity to affect the attack of sustaining instruments, not the volume. The expression controller controls note volume and instrument timbre.
Like you, I usually revert to finding something from the Internet. Classical Music Archive is another good resource although limited to five files a day. Not that I've found that a problem.
Two upcoming projects are the two mezzo arias from Berlioz' Faust sung by Margherita. As I can't find any existing MIDIs it'll all have to be freshly input.
Regards,
SysExJohn. _________________ Kein Leben ohne Bach. |
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Karl F. Westermann
Joined: 17 Feb 2011 Posts: 5 Location: Germany
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Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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Thank you very much, John, for your reply.
Nearly all of my sequences are totally hand-made, only in few cases I could start from raw MIDI files.
I use the General MIDI (GM) standard because
• I can easily achieve sufficient quality to support my singing hobby.
• GM is recommended as common standard for publishing MIDI sequences.
• I don’t know anything beyond GM nor do I have special audio expertise or equipment.
Nevertheless you made me curious to hear the difference and therefore I will contact you separately.
Regards,
Karl
p. s.
I discovered useful raw MIDI files on these Internet addresses:
http://www.musicalion.com/
http://www.classic-arietta.de/
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SysExJohn Site Admin

Joined: 03 Nov 2007 Posts: 150 Location: Betelgeuse
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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 10:14 am Post subject: |
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| Karl F. Westermann wrote: | Thank you very much, John, for your reply. |
My pleasure, thank you for yours too.
| Quote: | | Nearly all of my sequences are totally hand-made, only in few cases I could start from raw MIDI files. |
Are they, then, played in, or do you use notation software?
If the latter, then they appear to be heavily modified to get that 'human feel.'
| Quote: | I use the General MIDI (GM) standard because
• I can easily achieve sufficient quality to support my singing hobby.
• GM is recommended as common standard for publishing sequences.
• I don’t know anything beyond GM nor do I have special audio expertise or equipment. |
An excellent place to start.
I started with MIDI in the late eighties with an Atari STe.
Being a data communications protocol speci@list by profession (now retired) I have little trouble understanding the technical details of MIDI. It's extremely simple compared to many others.
I've progressed, over the years, through MIDI 1, GM, GM2, GS and XG and now, almost exclusively, use orchestral and other sample libraries from the likes of Garritan and East West.
| Quote: | | Nevertheless you made me curious to hear the difference and therefore I will contact you separately. |
Please feel free to.
| Quote: | | Among my contributions to the Classical MIDI Connection you find Bizet’s Tarentelle. Famous opera diva Cecilia Bartoli (mis)uses this song for a coloratura showpiece. I dedicated the sequence to my daughter Sonja, a soprano like your wife. |
Here's a few of my latest:
http://www.box.com/s/1msqh4kcn0j7ptqra0ac with voice
http://www.box.com/s/ketpjzxru8vu6bhettzr with voice
http://www.box.com/s/mvk037nb4yuyqlhqoo2l with voice
http://www.box.com/s/0aj4nvzf6gepc2nkxb8q without.
Comments welcome.
Kind regards,
SysExJohn. _________________ Kein Leben ohne Bach. |
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